DT12 TRANSMISSION ISSUES, STUCK IN NEUTRAL (2024)

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  1. Nov 24, 2021#1

    wtokhiLight Load Member

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    hey guys,
    got a 2016 cascadia here with a dd13 and DT12 transmission, truck was towed in since it wouldnt go into gear, the air pressure builds fine, and when put into drive an audible gear drop is heard with the normal air actuation sound and then it will air actuate again and again and again, the display will stay in neutral and pushing the throttle will do nothing, until it beeps and stops trying to go into gear, reverse will not work either. there are no transmission codes, the range splitters pass actuation thru DDL, but when trying to do a gear shift thru DDL, the control unit will give an unexpected error. not sure what it could be, dont have much experience with these transmissions, thanks

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  3. Nov 25, 2021#2

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    Sticking split pin bushing is a common fault on that model year. You'll have to make and review a log file per the attached file. There's a technical service letter attached that will tell you if this applies to your transmission based on date of manufacture.

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  4. Nov 25, 2021#3

    wtokhiLight Load Member

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    looking at the diagnosis steps it might be that, our shop doesn’t use DDL but see what you can make of this, the clutch is cycling but the gear isn’t like the diagnosis steps say it should, check it out

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  5. Nov 25, 2021#4

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  6. Nov 27, 2021#5

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    Yea, that sounds like the conditions listed in the troubleshooting. Your clutch is cycling, your splitter group actuator position stays at 99% the whole time, which I'm assuming is the "high" position it would read in DDDL . And the current gear stays at zero. I'm not familiar with the software you're using, but it sounds like the split pin bushing to me.

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  7. Nov 27, 2021#6

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    Dropped it yday, was a pain with the side shifter offsetting the weight, had to remove the air tanks and everything behind it to lift it out with a forklift, is there going to be physical damage I’ll see to the split pin?

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  8. Nov 28, 2021#7

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    There shouldn't be damage to the pin. Its just that the aluminum bore that the pin slides in wears, and causes the pin to stick. The technical service letter I attached has a part number for the kit you need. If it's the old style, you have to drill out the hole to accept a steel bushing.

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  9. Oct 10, 2022#9

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  10. Oct 10, 2022#10

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    I just did a split pin bushing repair, with transmission in truck. Removed battery power. Now the transmission shifts into neutral sometimes and is searching for a gear you can hear it clicking. Then when the speed lowers it will go back into the gear you were in or skip two gears up. I am wondering if the transmission needs to relearn. If so, can I do that myself or a shop. Also is the relearn clutch and shift pattern? The shift controller came off and I disconnected the tcm. So again after split pin bushing repair is a relearn procedure required?

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  11. Oct 12, 2022#10

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    probably do need a relearn procedure, the service manual does state to perform one, you're gonna need a software to do that or its gonna have to be a shop, the learn is both the clutch and gear shifting

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    DT12 TRANSMISSION ISSUES, STUCK IN NEUTRAL (2024)

    FAQs

    How long do DT12 transmissions last? ›

    Our transmissions come with a five-year/750,000-mile standard warranty. The clutch comes with a three-year/350,000-mile warranty. Creep Mode makes backing up to a loading dock safe and easy. The DT12 is engineered for enhanced flexibility and drivability.

    What does starter blocked shift to neutral mean? ›

    The starter blocked message will come on any time the truck is unable to read the neutral safety switch on the transmission. This is broadcast through the CPC and won't be recognized if the CPC isnt' initializing.

    What does transmission air low mean in a freightliner? ›

    • Low transmission air pressure message: This issue may be induced by a vehicle air system not functioning properly resulting in the inability to achieve or maintain operating air pressure. Low air pressure may be induced by excessive use or cycling of the service brake, exhausting the vehicle air supply.

    What is code 521485 on a freightliner? ›

    SPN 521485/FMI 2

    Gear Rail Split Sensor - Gear Position Erratic Check as follows: 1. Remove the TCM X1 connector. Inspect the X1 connection for water intrusion, damage, corrosion or bent pins.

    Are DT12 transmissions reliable? ›

    DT12 Vocational Series transmissions offer the ideal blend of technology and toughness. They've been tested for thousands of miles with precise engineering for jobsite environments, and provide 12 speeds for increased efficiency and flexibility.

    Can you put a PTO on a DT12 transmission? ›

    The DT12 transmission is available with a rear mounted PTO prep option. The option includes all the vehicle wiring and transmission elements needed to support the PTO without the addition of the PTO hardware on the transmission.

    What to do when gear is stuck in neutral? ›

    To resolve the issue of your transmission being stuck in neutral, try shifting through all the gears while the engine is off. This doesn't always work, however, so you might need to pay a visit to a mechanic. Caring for your transmission can help avoid it getting stuck in neutral.

    Does neutral lock the transmission? ›

    Neutralin an automatic car disengages the transmission from the engine.

    Where is the neutral safety switch starter? ›

    Neutral safety switches prevent the vehicle from starting if the transmission is in gear. You can find the neutral safety switch in the steering column of your vehicle, though the location might vary from model to model. Accessing the neutral safety switch requires you to get underneath your vehicle.

    How do I reset my transmission pressure switch? ›

    Turn off your vehicle's ignition and wait patiently for 5 to 10 seconds. Start the engine and allow it to idle for several seconds. Switch off the ignition and wait patiently for another 30 to 40 seconds. Repeat these steps 2 to 3 times in order to reset your vehicle's transmission control module.

    How do you get air out of a transmission? ›

    The best way to bleed the system is to use a hand vacuum pump at the slave cylinder. Fill the reservoir with fluid and then get under the truck. At the slave cylinder there should be a bleeder valve like on a brake caliper. Attach the vacuum pump to the valve with a rubber hose that fits tight.

    What happens when a transmission pressure switch fails? ›

    With faulty transmission fluid pressure switches, your transmission will not shift correctly. The Check Engine light will illuminate, and you may not be able to shift into higher gears.

    What is the code SPN 96? ›

    SPN 96 /FMI 13

    Description This fault indicates a missing fuel level signal at the Common Powertrain Controller (CPC). Check as follows: NOTE: Fuel level sensor is hardwired to instrument cluster. Fuel level signal is multiplexed from instrument cluster to the CPC.

    What is the code SPN 521486? ›

    SPN 521486/FMI 2

    This diagnostic is typically Clutch Position Sensor - Data Erratic. Check as follows: NOTE: Transmission Control Module (TCM) faults SPN 520971/7 and SPN 521491/2 may also be present when this code sets.

    What is the warranty on the DT12 transmission? ›

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    For the DT12®, warranty coverage is 5 year/750,000 miles on 100% on-highway applications in the U.S. and Canada. The CPCA clutch coverage is 3 year/300,000 miles.

    How many miles will a transmission last? ›

    How Long Does Your Transmission Last?
    Transmission Quick Facts
    Transmission Lifespan Without Maintenance100,000 miles or less
    Transmission Lifespan with Proper Maintenance300,000 miles or more
    When to Change Automatic Transmission FluidEvery 30,000 miles
    When to Change Manual Transmission FluidEvery 30,000 to 60,000 miles

    How long do built transmissions last? ›

    If a transmission is properly rebuilt by a skilled mechanic, it can often last between 100,000 to 200,000 miles or even more. The key to a long-lasting rebuilt transmission is addressing all the existing problems during the rebuild, using high-quality parts, and ensuring everything is assembled correctly.

    How many miles can a used transmission last? ›

    For a new transmission, you can typically expect it to last for up to 100,000 miles, which for most drivers will be about seven years. When you buy used, the transmission may only last for 50,000 miles or fewer.

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